Delta Force (The) (Blu-ray) (1986) UPDATED

[Michael_Byers]

Delta Force (The) (Blu-ray) (1986)
Blu-ray ALL America - MGM Home Entertainment

Back cover only lists the English and French languages, as well as the English HoH, French, and Spanish subtitles, but in film menu has the others as follows:

Soundtracks:
English DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 surround
French DTS-HD Master Audio 1.0 mono
Italian DTS-HD Master Audio 1.0 mono
German DTS 2.0 stereo
Spanish DTS-HD Master Audio 1.0 mono

Subtitles (are they optional?): The film contains burned in English subs for the foreign speaking parts - these are completely separate from the other language subtitles and display regardless of what optional subtitle you have on.
Optional subtitles:
English HoH, Spanish, French, Italian, German, Catellano, Dutch, Portuguese.

Source: in hand.
In regards to the mention of English surround - it is embedded in the audio, and it's definitely not regular stereo, despite the menu stating just stereo.
Also, that is not an error on the German DTS - it is not DTS-HD MA.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

There should also be Japanese subtitles, so added them to the listing.

In regards to the mention of English surround - it is embedded in the audio, and it's definitely not regular stereo, despite the menu stating just stereo.

I don't understand. The "surround" is embedded in the audio? DTS does not have Pro-Logic surround capability. That is a Dolby trademark. What do you mean it is definitely not stereo?

Also, that is not an error on the German DTS - it is not DTS-HD MA.

Does it say DTS-HD MA in the menu? What is the error?

[Michael_Byers]

There should also be Japanese subtitles, so added them to the listing.

Yes sorry, they are in the BDinfo.

In regards to the mention of English surround - it is embedded in the audio, and it's definitely not regular stereo, despite the menu stating just stereo.

I don't understand. The "surround" is embedded in the audio? DTS does not have Pro-Logic surround capability. That is a Dolby trademark. What do you mean it is definitely not stereo?

You know what Pro Logic is, correct? It is not limited to Dolby containers. Pro Logic or stereo surround IS a Dolby technology, but ANYTHING that carries a stereo signal can be encoded for Dolby Pro Logic Surround (4.0/4.1) - it doesn't matter if it is DTS or PCM even: a stereo signal is a stereo signal - the receiver 'unfolds' or decodes it, you just have to tell it to. It's embedded and is not codec reliant, unlike DTS itself or even DD AC-3/TrueHD - it's the same reason why PCM is able to carry it from the LaserDisc and VHS era, as it is the same situation.
If all MGM did is pull from prior masters/transfers that had Dolby Pro Logic embedded in them before throwing the audio in a DTS-HD MA container, the Pro Logic data would still be in the stream. They just can't slap it on there or state such because it's in a DTS container.
This isn't the only films I have found that have this either. There are several other films that have DTS or DTS-HD MA as a codec with stereo tracks and they do indeed contain Pro Logic sound data.

Also, that is not an error on the German DTS - it is not DTS-HD MA.

Does it say DTS-HD MA in the menu? What is the error?

No, I was pointing out that it is the one out of the bunch that is NOT DTS-HD MA is all, in case someone thought that was a typo. The German track is regular DTS, not DTS-HD MA. It has been updated on the site correctly so no worries.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

When we use the term "2.0 surround" that means the 2.0 track automatically defaults to surround for 4 speakers on a Pro-Logic decoder.

I have never seen a DTS or PCM or any other track do that unless you manually select the surround option on a receiver. And in that case, it cannot be called "surround".

If you set your receiver to "direct" or "pure" audio, when you play the Delta Force disc, does the 2.0 tracks come only from the left and right speakers, or do they automatically go to left, right, center, and surrounds? If it's DTS, it should be just left and right, but please let me know otherwise.

[Michael_Byers]

When we use the term "2.0 surround" that means the 2.0 track automatically defaults to surround for 4 speakers on a Pro-Logic decoder.

I have never seen a DTS or PCM or any other track do that unless you manually select the surround option on a receiver. And in that case, it cannot be called "surround".

If you set your receiver to "direct" or "pure" audio, when you play the Delta Force disc, does the 2.0 tracks come only from the left and right speakers, or do they automatically go to left, right, center, and surrounds? If it's DTS, it should be just left and right, but please let me know otherwise.

I have owned mulitple receivers, including ones that only did Pro Logic and I have never had it auto switch, not even once, including on features specifically only stating it. The countless people I have spoken to over the years about it have said the same thing, that it is a manual selection. Even when upgrading and seeing that Dolby Digital and DTS auto selected, I asked different sales people, and they all said the same thing: it has to be manually selected.
I have always had to manually select such. The only thing that I have ever had auto switch is Dolby Digital, DTS, and all variants thereof.

No, they stay at 2.0. Everything will when it receives stereo, be it one encoded with surround or not, unless it is DTS or DD/AC-3 or higher. This is obviously a tech issue (the same in that this site doesn't allow bitrates to be listed for anything), so I guess I am done here. The surround is there though either way.
Thanks

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

The back of the case states "stereo" and there is as far as we see, not such thing as a surround encoding on a 2.0 track that is non-Dolby, we'll have to leave it as "stereo". Thank you for the info and specs!